tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-506358489015565993.post6571260161395258103..comments2024-02-23T20:58:05.039-05:00Comments on the crime segments: I'm sorry. I just don't get it any more. NancyOhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/12027036137062767840noreply@blogger.comBlogger17125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-506358489015565993.post-61346451102788714142015-12-25T03:02:41.789-05:002015-12-25T03:02:41.789-05:00I'd like to see a socialogical analysis of thi...I'd like to see a socialogical analysis of this trend in crime fiction and the increasing gratuitous violence and body counts. Why this is happening, who is reading it and why.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-506358489015565993.post-6307513299318903402015-12-23T08:14:52.622-05:002015-12-23T08:14:52.622-05:00I get the violence etc re Nanjing. But her first s...I get the violence etc re Nanjing. But her first series novel was overloaded with torture and violence and I haven't gone back to her since.NancyOhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12027036137062767840noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-506358489015565993.post-61327569115771615302015-12-23T00:26:07.769-05:002015-12-23T00:26:07.769-05:00I read The Devil of Nanking by Mo Hayder. While I...I read The Devil of Nanking by Mo Hayder. While I think she was right in revealing the truth about Japan's 1937 invasion of and really genocide against the people of Nanking, the book was really brutal. I had to skip half of if, but her goals were good. But, yikes!<br />I can't read books by Karin Slaughter, Chelsea Cain or Tess Gerritson. One book by Gerritson about a woman doctor Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-506358489015565993.post-57616911409044489972015-12-21T05:13:08.231-05:002015-12-21T05:13:08.231-05:00Right after I posted this, a woman reader online ...Right after I posted this, a woman reader online who hadn't seen the post recommended a book which she said, and I quote, was "violent and sadistic." So while I don't personally know anyone, they're out there, women and men both. And women read Mo Hayder, who also does some pretty awful things in her novels. NancyOhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12027036137062767840noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-506358489015565993.post-63746081012568648582015-12-20T23:04:11.866-05:002015-12-20T23:04:11.866-05:00But my question is why some readers want violence ...But my question is why some readers want violence and sadism? What is wrong here? And who wants it? I don't know any women readers who like this.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-506358489015565993.post-36877382710354279422015-12-20T08:14:46.044-05:002015-12-20T08:14:46.044-05:00I think it's all about the market. Just the ot...I think it's all about the market. Just the other day someone asked if I'd like to read their new book, which they said was "violent and sadistic." As if the person was proud of the fact! I get reading for entertainment (give me Inspector Montalbano any day), but torture doesn't entertain me. And Maxine was correct -- you have to wonder exactly who is reading that stuff NancyOhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12027036137062767840noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-506358489015565993.post-14791100927510181732015-12-20T03:02:56.647-05:002015-12-20T03:02:56.647-05:00I agree with everything you said in your post. Bu...I agree with everything you said in your post. But who is pushing the violence and gore and what many call "torture porn?" Is it publishers? I don't really think it's writers on their own. <br />And if this is what sells, who is buying this stuff? <br />The incisive, late Maxine Clarke, used to ponder if people who are reading books with "torture porn" and piling Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-506358489015565993.post-31044840738677081922015-12-16T15:28:39.521-05:002015-12-16T15:28:39.521-05:00The obvious answer is, of course, don't read t...The obvious answer is, of course, don't read those books. But the problem is that it seems like this uber-violence has taken over the market, squeezing out writers who could feasibly offer more intelligent mystery/crime novels. So frankly, unless it's a writer I trust, I really don't even want to try the new stuff that's coming out. NancyOhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12027036137062767840noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-506358489015565993.post-20200598921527937972015-12-16T15:18:20.241-05:002015-12-16T15:18:20.241-05:00Bravo.Bravo.Welch's Rarebitshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09183345901778644627noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-506358489015565993.post-20104953541301931612015-12-15T20:45:45.651-05:002015-12-15T20:45:45.651-05:00Thanks! I'll give it good read tomorrow, but ...Thanks! I'll give it good read tomorrow, but I did love this: <br /><br />"I get depressed, too, because I feel like we, as an industry, aren't taking chances on great writers and books. So many books feel so safe, as if written by committee. Reading the flap copy in that indie bookstore, I felt like I was reading the same thing over and over again." <br /><br />I think it'NancyOhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12027036137062767840noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-506358489015565993.post-6505380813940489552015-12-15T20:13:15.232-05:002015-12-15T20:13:15.232-05:00Have you read the Mysterious Matters blog? There a...Have you read the Mysterious Matters blog? There are a few rants about current crime fiction trends you'd like, I think. http://mysteriousmatters.typepad.com/RebeccaKhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14720581274534125405noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-506358489015565993.post-74644407507441449652015-12-15T16:41:05.000-05:002015-12-15T16:41:05.000-05:00I guess
a) there must be a market for it
b) some...I guess <br />a) there must be a market for it <br />b) some people are more interested in money than quality where writing is concerned and <br />c) I'm going to have to do better research when selecting a novel. NancyOhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12027036137062767840noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-506358489015565993.post-41073073238594533872015-12-15T16:31:25.239-05:002015-12-15T16:31:25.239-05:00I don't like unnecessary violence, Nancy, tort...I don't like unnecessary violence, Nancy, torture, mutilation, etc...in fact, I also dislike books that are poorly written and I have come across quite a few recently.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-506358489015565993.post-55126086956397146082015-12-15T16:05:14.450-05:002015-12-15T16:05:14.450-05:00" I have often pondered why I can accept viol..." I have often pondered why I can accept violence in one book and not in another and have a hard time pinning it down."<br /><br />I totally understand what you're saying. I think it's all in how graphic the author feels he/she needs to be to reach an audience. Face it. Even cozy novels get violent, but again, the violence isn't the point. NancyOhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12027036137062767840noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-506358489015565993.post-16001395568945512062015-12-15T16:01:00.260-05:002015-12-15T16:01:00.260-05:00Torture scenes (of any length but especially exten...Torture scenes (of any length but especially extended scenes) are one thing I cannot take at all, even within a book which otherwise is very good. I have often pondered why I can accept violence in one book and not in another and have a hard time pinning it down.TracyKhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08303342674824383688noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-506358489015565993.post-17668103535859999362015-12-15T15:56:16.423-05:002015-12-15T15:56:16.423-05:00It's really more the idea that the violence in...It's really more the idea that the violence in these sorts of thrillers just escalates from book to book, getting more ridiculously outrageous. I'm not even going to name the book I just finished, but the things that the killer did to his victims were just so over the top, so graphic, and frankly, when an author spends a number of pages going into the mechanics of each violent act and NancyOhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12027036137062767840noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-506358489015565993.post-76008371610458338992015-12-15T15:49:41.645-05:002015-12-15T15:49:41.645-05:00I don't like violence in a book when it is ove...I don't like violence in a book when it is overdone and there is no other redeeming value. And it does seem that it is a trend to have extreme violence or violence against children or women. I assume it is not just violence you object too, because I know you like the books by David Mark that are too violent for me. (I liked the first one, but not books 2 and 3.) TracyKhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08303342674824383688noreply@blogger.com